Tax on gains within Designated Roth Balance?

Last year, my wife rolled two 401(k)s into 1 Roth IRA. One 401(k) had only designated Roth balances. The other had designated Roth balances and pre-tax balances (from her former employer’s match).

Let’s say the first 401(k) – the one with only designated Roth balances – had $5000 in total that was rolled over (I think that is the term, but the all the terms are so confusing). Of that $5000, only about $4000 was her contribution. The rest was gained in the market.

For the other 401(k), let’s say it was $50000 in total, but half was a designated Roth balance and the other half was the pre-tax employer contribution. Of that designated Roth balance, roughly $25k, about $20k was her contribution. The rest was gained in the market. Similarly let’s say the pre-tax employer contribution was $20k, and the rest was gained in the market.

What gets reported on Line 16b of Form 1040? I believe, in this example, Line 16a should be $55000. I *think* Line 16b should = $25000, with the word “rollover” written into the margin.

But the Instructions for Form 1040 Line 16 for 401(k)s has me believing that the gains need to be teased apart for taxing purposes? The instructions are:

“Enter on line 16a the distribution from Form 1099-R, box 1. From this amount, subtract any contributions (usually shown in box 5) that were taxable to you when made. From that result, subtract the amount of the qualified rollover. Enter the remaining amount on
line 16b.”

That seems to indicate that I take $55k and subtract only $24k, reporting $31k as income? That doesn’t seem right, does it?

And does any sort of income limit apply on such a transaction?

Thanks!



What you thought is correct. 16b should be 25,000. There should be 3 1099R forms in total. The problem lies in the 1040 line 16 instructions that you quoted relative to the 1099R from the pre tax account. Those instructions are poorly worded. That quote addresses a 1099R from the pre tax account which was partly rolled to a Roth and partly to a TIRA. Your wife does not have that type of 1099R because she did not roll anything to a TIRA, it all went to the Roth. If you think of this in those terms, it should make sense.



Great, thanks for that response!  I figured that I was headed in the right direction.  I tried calling the IRS earlier to ask about the instructions.  I believe I made the confusion worse for a while, because (in addition to being rushed because “the lines are about to be shut off”) I was using the term “after-tax Roth balance”.  Apparently that is different than the “designated Roth” balance… though I’m not sure how because both seem to refer to after tax monies (or perhaps I was just way too confused to ask the right question and thus got a nonsensical answer in return).  Anyway, I think I eventually found a link that I think defines what a Qualified Rollover is anyway:http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/rollover_chart.pdfAccording to that, what she had done does indeed seem “qualified” anyway I think.And you are correct, she does indeed have 3 1099-R forms.  Only 1 has a value in Box 2a, so I figured that is the only part to list in Line 16b on Form 1040.Does any sort of income limit apply on such a transaction?



No income limit. The 100,000 limit for rollovers to Roth IRAs ended in 2010.



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